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How do Google algorithm updates affect AI search visibility? Just got hit by an update

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Update_Casualty · SEO Manager
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Update_Casualty
SEO Manager · December 27, 2025

Just got hit by the latest Google core update. Traffic down 35%.

But here’s what’s weird - my AI visibility also tanked. I wasn’t even tracking it before, but when I started checking:

Before update:

  • Ranking positions 1-5 for main keywords
  • Showing up in ChatGPT answers regularly
  • Cited in Perplexity for industry queries

After update:

  • Dropped to positions 8-15
  • Barely appearing in ChatGPT
  • Perplexity citations disappeared

My questions:

  1. Is there a direct connection between Google rankings and AI visibility?
  2. If I recover in Google, will AI visibility come back?
  3. Are there separate “AI algorithms” I should worry about?
  4. What should I focus on recovering first - rankings or AI?

This feels like getting hit twice for the same problem.

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Update_Correlation_Expert Expert AI Visibility Analyst · December 27, 2025

There IS a connection, but it’s not direct. Let me explain:

How Google rankings affect AI visibility:

AI PlatformConnection to GoogleMechanism
Google AI OverviewDirectUses Google’s index/rankings
ChatGPT SearchIndirectUses Bing, which often mirrors Google patterns
PerplexitySemi-directHas own crawler but weights authority similarly
ChatGPT (no search)NoneBased on training data, not current rankings

Why your AI visibility dropped:

  1. Google AI Overview = definitely connected to rankings
  2. ChatGPT Search = Bing likely also saw your drop
  3. Perplexity = uses authority signals that overlap with Google’s

The shared cause: The algorithm update flagged quality issues in your content. Those same issues probably make AI systems less likely to cite you.

The good news: If you fix the underlying quality issues, both should recover.

The order: Fix content quality → Google recovery → AI visibility recovery

It’s not “rankings OR AI” - it’s “quality issues affecting both.”

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Recovery_Timeline SEO Director · December 27, 2025
Replying to Update_Correlation_Expert

Adding context on recovery timelines:

What we’ve seen with clients:

Recovery PhaseTypical TimelineWhat Happens
Initial stabilization1-2 weeksBleeding stops, assess damage
Content improvements2-8 weeksFix quality issues
Google recovery2-4 monthsRankings start improving
AI visibility recovery+2-6 weeks after GoogleAI systems follow rankings

Key insight: AI visibility lags Google recovery by a few weeks. Don’t panic if AI doesn’t bounce back immediately.

Perplexity specifically: Perplexity’s real-time crawler might pick up recovery faster than ChatGPT Search.

ChatGPT (base) caveat: If you were appearing in non-search ChatGPT, that won’t recover until the next training data update. This is separate from ranking recovery.

Our advice: Track both using Am I Cited alongside your SEO tools. Understand the lag relationship.

HC
Helpful_Content_Focus Content Quality Lead · December 27, 2025

If you got hit by a core update, look at Helpful Content signals:

What Google’s Helpful Content system evaluates:

SignalWhat It MeansAI Relevance
People-first contentMade for humans, not search enginesAI also wants human-valuable content
Expertise demonstrationShows real knowledgeAI trusts demonstrated expertise
Satisfying experienceAnswers the question fullyAI wants complete answers to cite
Original valueNot just aggregatingAI prefers unique insights

The connection to AI citations: AI systems are essentially asking the same questions Google’s Helpful Content evaluator asks:

  • Is this content genuinely valuable?
  • Does it demonstrate expertise?
  • Would I want to cite this as an answer?

What to audit:

  1. Thin content - Pages that don’t fully answer questions
  2. Aggregated content - Just collecting others’ information
  3. Keyword-stuffed content - Written for engines, not humans
  4. Missing expertise signals - No author credentials, no real experience

The fix is the same for both: Make content genuinely helpful, demonstrate real expertise, provide complete answers.

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Platform_Specific_Algorithms · December 26, 2025

To answer your question about “AI algorithms”:

Each AI platform has its own selection process:

Google AI Overview:

  • Uses Google’s index
  • Factors in E-E-A-T signals
  • Prefers structured, scannable content
  • Your Google rankings matter directly

ChatGPT Search:

  • Uses Bing search integration
  • Weights source authority
  • Favors clear, direct answers
  • Bing rankings matter

Perplexity:

  • Has own crawler (PerplexityBot)
  • Real-time retrieval
  • Strong bias toward cited sources
  • Values recency and clarity

Claude:

  • Training data based
  • No real-time search
  • Not affected by current rankings

The pattern: While each has different mechanics, they all value:

  • Authority/trust signals
  • Content quality
  • Answer completeness
  • Source credibility

What this means for you: You don’t need to optimize for each AI separately. Fix the quality issues that got you penalized in Google, and you’ll likely improve across platforms.

CS
Case_Study_Recovery VP Marketing · December 26, 2025

We went through this. Here’s our recovery story:

The hit (September 2025 Core Update):

  • Traffic: -45%
  • Rankings: Dropped 5-15 positions
  • AI visibility: Crashed (noticed a week later)

What we identified:

  1. Too much thin content (50+ low-value pages)
  2. Keyword-focused, not user-focused headlines
  3. Missing author credentials on YMYL content
  4. Outdated information on key pages

What we did:

Month 1:

  • Audited all content
  • Identified 40 pages to remove
  • Identified 60 pages to improve

Month 2:

  • Removed thin content
  • Added author bios with credentials
  • Updated outdated information

Month 3:

  • Restructured remaining content
  • Added schema markup
  • Improved internal linking

Results:

MetricHitMonth 3Month 6
Organic traffic-45%-25%+5% vs pre-hit
AI citationsNear zero5% of queries18% of queries
Top 10 rankings122545

Key insight: AI visibility followed rankings by about 3-4 weeks. As we recovered in Google, AI visibility followed.

What I’d do differently: Start monitoring AI visibility earlier. We didn’t realize the connection until too late.

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Perplexity_Specifics AI Research Lead · December 26, 2025

Perplexity deserves special attention:

How Perplexity’s algorithm differs:

Unlike Google, Perplexity:

  • Crawls in real-time
  • Weights citation patterns from other sources
  • Considers Reddit/forum mentions
  • Has its own authority scoring

What we’ve observed:

Sites that get hit by Google updates sometimes maintain Perplexity visibility IF:

  • They have strong Reddit/forum presence
  • They’re cited by other sources Perplexity trusts
  • The content is genuinely useful (even if Google demoted it)

But usually:

Google penalties correlate with Perplexity drops because:

  • The underlying quality issues affect both
  • Perplexity uses some overlapping authority signals
  • Google rankings influence what other sources cite

Recovery in Perplexity:

Often faster than Google recovery because:

  • Real-time indexing
  • No waiting for algorithm refresh
  • Picks up improvements quickly

Track separately: Use Am I Cited to track Perplexity visibility independently. Sometimes it tells a different story than Google rankings.

PF
Prevention_Focus Expert · December 26, 2025

Let’s talk about preventing this in the future:

Update-proof content characteristics:

  1. Genuine expertise

    • Real author credentials
    • Actual experience shared
    • Original insights, not just research
  2. Complete answers

    • Fully addresses the question
    • Anticipates follow-ups
    • Provides actionable value
  3. Fresh and maintained

    • Regularly updated
    • Outdated info removed
    • Current statistics
  4. Structured for extraction

    • Clear headings
    • Scannable format
    • Key points highlighted

Content that tends to survive updates:

  • Expert-written, credential-backed
  • Comprehensive but focused
  • Regularly maintained
  • Genuinely useful to readers

Content that gets hit:

  • Thin, aggregated content
  • Keyword-stuffed
  • Outdated/stale
  • Missing expertise signals

The principle: Content that AI systems WANT to cite is also content Google WANTS to rank. Build for quality, survive updates.

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Monitoring_Setup Marketing Ops · December 25, 2025

Set up monitoring to catch this earlier:

What to track together:

MetricToolFrequency
Google rankingsAhrefs/SEMrushDaily
Google trafficGSC/GA4Daily
AI citation rateAm I CitedWeekly
Perplexity visibilityAm I CitedWeekly
ChatGPT mentionsManual or Am I CitedWeekly

Alert thresholds:

  • Rankings drop >20%: Investigate immediately
  • AI citations drop >30%: Check if correlated with rankings
  • Traffic drop >25%: Full audit

The correlation dashboard: Plot Google rankings against AI visibility on the same chart. Look for:

  • Do they move together? (correlation)
  • Does AI lag behind? (typical)
  • Are they diverging? (platform-specific issue)

Our setup: Weekly report comparing:

  • Google position changes
  • AI citation rate changes
  • Correlation coefficient

This helps us see patterns and respond faster.

UC
Update_Casualty OP SEO Manager · December 25, 2025

This clarifies a lot. My recovery plan:

Immediate (this week):

  1. Set up Am I Cited to track AI visibility
  2. Correlate ranking drops with AI visibility drops
  3. Identify specific pages most affected

Month 1: Content audit

  1. Identify thin/low-value pages
  2. Flag pages missing author credentials
  3. Find outdated content
  4. Prioritize by traffic impact

Month 2-3: Content improvements

  1. Remove or consolidate thin content
  2. Add author credentials and expertise signals
  3. Update outdated information
  4. Restructure for better answers

Month 4+: Monitor recovery

  1. Track Google rankings recovery
  2. Track AI visibility recovery (expect lag)
  3. Adjust strategy based on what’s working

Key takeaways:

  • AI visibility is connected to rankings (not direct, but correlated)
  • Fix quality issues → Fix both problems
  • AI recovery lags Google recovery by a few weeks
  • Need to track both to see the full picture

Mindset shift: I was treating SEO and AI visibility as separate. They’re connected through content quality. Fix the root cause, fix both.

Thanks everyone!

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Frequently Asked Questions

Do Google algorithm updates affect AI visibility?
Yes, indirectly. Since AI systems like Google AI Overview use Google’s index, and ChatGPT Search uses Bing, changes in your search rankings affect your AI visibility. Sites that lose rankings often see corresponding drops in AI citations.
Does the Helpful Content Update impact AI citations?
Yes, the Helpful Content Update’s focus on human-first, valuable content aligns with what AI systems look for when selecting sources to cite. Content that fails the helpful content test often fails AI citation standards too.
Can a site recover AI visibility after an algorithm hit?
Yes, but recovery follows ranking recovery. Focus on addressing the underlying quality issues that caused the ranking drop. As rankings recover, AI visibility typically follows within a few weeks to months.
Are AI-specific algorithms different from Google's?
Each AI system has its own selection criteria, but they all prioritize authority, quality, and relevance. Perplexity uses real-time crawling with its own signals, while ChatGPT and Claude rely on training data plus search integration. Quality fundamentals help across all platforms.

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