Does page authority work differently for AI search? My high-DA pages aren't getting cited
Community discussion on how page authority differs for AI search compared to traditional SEO. Users share experiences on what actually drives AI citations.
We’ve been using hub and spoke for SEO for years. Now trying to understand if it applies to AI visibility too.
Our current structure:
My questions:
Anyone seeing correlation between content hub structure and AI citation rates?
Great question. The short answer: yes, hub and spoke matters for AI, but the implementation needs updating.
Why hub and spoke works for AI:
AI systems assess topical authority when deciding what to cite. When they see:
…they conclude you’re an authority worth citing.
What’s different for AI:
Traditional hub optimization:
AI-optimized hub structure:
The key insight:
AI doesn’t just look at your pillar page. It sees your entire topic coverage. If you have 20 spoke articles showing deep expertise, that influences citations even when the question maps to the pillar.
It’s holistic topic authority, not just page-level optimization.
Exactly. Here’s how to think about it:
AI’s perspective:
When asked “What is [your topic]?”, AI considers:
If you have a pillar page PLUS 15 detailed spoke articles PLUS expert authors PLUS citations from authoritative sites… you’ve built a citation-worthy body of work.
The measurement:
Track citations not just to your hub, but to your topic cluster as a whole. Use Am I Cited to monitor:
We’ve seen hubs with stronger spoke support outperform standalone pillar pages 3:1 in citation rates.
Technical structure perspective.
Hub optimization for AI:
URL structure:
/topic/ (hub)
/topic/subtopic-1/ (spoke)
/topic/subtopic-2/ (spoke)
/topic/subtopic-3/ (spoke)
Clear hierarchy signals topic relationships.
Internal linking:
Hub → All spokes (obvious) Spokes → Hub (critical, often missing) Spokes → Related spokes (creates mesh)
Schema markup:
On hub pages, implement:
The structured connection:
Use “about” and “mentions” properties in schema to explicitly connect hub and spoke content. AI systems can parse these relationships.
Common mistakes:
Operational perspective on hub and spoke for AI.
How we structure hubs now:
Hub page anatomy:
What changed for AI:
Previously: Hubs were navigation-focused. “Here’s the topic, here’s where to learn more.”
Now: Hubs must also be citation-worthy standalone. AI might cite the hub directly, not send users to spokes.
The content depth tradeoff:
Hubs need to be:
Balance: Hub answers the “what” and “why broadly.” Spokes answer specific “how” questions in depth.
Data perspective on hub vs spoke citations.
What we measured:
6-month study across 5 topic clusters, 50+ pieces of content total.
Citation distribution:
The pattern:
Hubs get cited for broad queries (“What is X?”) Spokes get cited for specific queries (“How do I do Y within X?”)
Both matter. Complete coverage drives total citations.
What predicts spoke citation rate:
The surprising finding:
Some spokes outperform hubs for their specific queries. A detailed “how-to” spoke might get cited more than the broad hub for procedural questions.
Don’t assume the hub is always the citation target. Optimize each spoke for its specific query set.
Client implementation learnings.
What we do for new hub and spoke builds:
Phase 1: Topic Mapping
Phase 2: Hub Development
Phase 3: Spoke Development
Phase 4: Measurement
Timeline: Hub development: 2-4 weeks Initial spokes (5-10): 4-6 weeks Citation improvement: 6-12 weeks after publication
Smaller scale perspective.
If you don’t have resources for 20 spoke articles:
Minimum viable hub and spoke:
Prioritize spokes by:
The quality principle:
5 excellent, deeply expert spoke articles > 20 shallow ones.
AI systems recognize depth. One truly authoritative piece on a subtopic can outperform three mediocre ones.
Build over time:
Start with hub + 3 spokes. Monitor citations. Add spokes based on where you see opportunity in AI responses.
The AI-specific hub optimization.
What makes a hub AI-citation-worthy:
Structure:
Authority signals:
Technical:
The hub citation test:
Ask ChatGPT a question about your topic. If it doesn’t cite your hub:
Often it’s about: clearer structure, better expertise signals, or more comprehensive coverage.
The spoke question test:
For each spoke, ask the specific question it answers. Monitor if your spoke gets cited. If not, optimize that spoke’s structure and depth.
This thread clarified how to adapt hub and spoke for AI.
My key takeaways:
Our updated approach:
Hub optimization:
Spoke optimization:
Measurement:
Thanks everyone for the practical insights!
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